Kendall: 00:00

If people were a little bit more open to expressing their own sort of needs or longings, we would find that actually one another's needs and longings can be met together.

Heather: 00:11

Welcome to the Fresh Expressions podcast season 5. I'm Heather Gillaud, a pastor and cultivator of new faith communities that aim to reach new people in surprising places. This season focuses on community, how to build it, and how new kinds of churches can help combat the loneliness epidemic in North America. Along the way, I'll be joined by friends from the movement to co host and add their insights as practitioners of fresh expressions of church. We hope this episode deepens your understanding of loving our neighbors and leading faith communities in today's changing landscape.

Heather: 00:44

If you enjoy our podcast, please help us by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts or sharing an episode with friends or on social media. Now, let's dive in. Well, welcome back to the Fresh Expressions podcast. I am your host, Heather Gellan. And, this season, we are really digging into, what has been called the loneliness epidemic and certainly what the church can do about that.

Heather: 01:16

As many of you know, Fresh Expressions takes very seriously the idea of taking the church Jesus loves closer to the people Jesus loves. And a very significant part of that is really meeting people where they are and, really, the the work that we do to form community and, as we say oftentimes, give the witness the withness to our witness. And so, I'm excited to share with you today, our guest, my new friend, Kendall Vanderslice, and just her journey with, loneliness and forming community, and just how significant that has been to her life. I I I there's so many ways that I could describe you, Kyndyl, teacher, author, speaker, baker, theologian, But why don't you introduce yourself the way you like to be introduced?

Kendall: 02:10

Well, you you mostly covered it there. I am a baker and a writer. I, you know, my background is in the restaurant industry. I worked in bakeries and restaurants and mostly the Boston area, but a handful of other places. But it was while I was baking that I realized, you know, I I get to know god best with my hands in dough.

Kendall: 02:30

And so that took me on a theological journey and now on a writing journey as well.

Heather: 02:36

And here you are and here you are. Now, I I got to know you really. I was introduced to you and kind of your your journey, if you will, around farming community, in your book, We Will Feast. And you had some great stories in there, But is there one in particular because there were all different kinds of communities that you kind of shared in that in your book there. So is there one particular story that really kinda stuck out to you from that or that you would like to share with our our listeners?

Kendall: 03:07

Yeah. There goodness. I'm I'm all of the churches that are included in that book, I love so dearly. I came to love them so dearly, and they are all so very different from one another. Yes.

Kendall: 03:20

And so I think more so than just one particular story from one particular community was more the story of the the research itself and all of the communities together. I did this research for We Will Feast in the fall of 2016 and the spring of 2017, and I visited I I think it was 9 different churches across the United States from a wide range of, of of denominations and a wide range of geographic locations all across from the East Coast to West Coast, urban, suburban, and rural. And if if our listeners don't quite remember, the fall of 2016, spring of 2017 was kind of a fraught time in the American both church and political landscape. And what was really incredible was visiting all of these churches from very different backgrounds with very different approaches to both church and politics, and seeing the ways that they their regular practice of eating together allowed them to navigate this really fraught season in a way that I was not seeing in other churches. And so to me, the the gift of seeing a very different example of how the church was at play in that season was the most incredible part of that of that research.

Heather: 04:35

Yeah. And and it may differ I would just commend it to our listeners too if you're not familiar with, with that book. The so important, I think, to the conversation. So your latest book is By Bread Alone and certainly kind of brings all of these different threads of your life together in a beautiful, beautiful tapestry. And one thing that really struck me as I was reading this book was just your own experiences of loneliness or feeling isolated, for a variety of reasons and a variety of context.

Heather: 05:08

Right? And, so I guess what precipitated you writing this or, like, what really kind of what was what was the thing that that got you writing this?

Kendall: 05:19

Yeah. So I had, had in mind wanting to write a book on Theology of Bread for a really long time. I had, actually thought that that was gonna be my first book before We Will Feast. And as I got into it, I realized this idea needs to sit a little bit longer. I have some more thinking, some more baking, some more studying to do.

Kendall: 05:39

And so I went to Duke Divinity School with the intention of really studying theology of bread. And so I had a book, a theology of bread book in mind while there. But it was in my last year of my program that I took a creative writing class, and it was called spiritual autobiography. And it was designed to help us think about how do we, you know, how do you write memoirs, spiritual memoir in a really interesting way. And I started writing stories of my own relationship to bread.

Kendall: 06:09

And I realized that I couldn't really get to this theology of bread without writing about my real own relationship to bread both as a baker, but also my relationship to my body as someone who consumes bread. And so that this book, this theology of bread book became also a spiritual memoir of sorts. A a story of my own story and how god had shaped me in community and and through bread, the the bread that I baked and the people that I shared that bread with. Around that same time is also when We Will Feast came out, and I had a chapter near the beginning of it that was on loneliness. And I had never really heard anyone talk about the topic of loneliness.

Kendall: 06:52

This is before the loneliness epidemic really became, you know, part of the zeitgeist. Yes. And I had I remember very distinctly one speaking event where someone came up to me afterwards and said, I loved the book, but the chapter on loneliness is what really got me. And after that, I started hearing that from several people. Thank you for writing this chapter on loneliness.

Kendall: 07:15

This this chapter on loneliness is the one that really resonated. And I thought that I was quite alone. Wow. How about that? Loneliness, and to realize, oh, this is something far more pervasive.

Kendall: 07:28

And that's about the time that, doctor Vivek Murthy, the US Surgeon General had named loneliness as as a public health crisis.

Heather: 07:37

Yeah.

Kendall: 07:38

And so I realized, you know, actually, I think this is a really significant theme that needs to be a part of this book. And so then I started working on the book proposal in January of 2020. Oh

Heather: 07:48

my goodness.

Kendall: 07:48

And then I started pitching it to agents in sort of January February of 2020. And at that time, they all were like, I I don't quite know. I think people are still hesitant about bread. You know, the low carb movement is still strong. And then, of course, March 2020 hits and everyone is baking bread in the isolation of their

Heather: 08:08

own homes. And I thought flour. I could not get yeast. Everybody was, like, making sourdough and sharing their starters and, wow, talk about timing.

Kendall: 08:18

Yeah. Absolutely. So then I was like, man, a a book on bread and loneliness and community is that is, you know, it it is this is evidence that that is needed.

Heather: 08:30

Yes. Yes. So so timely. I'm sure that either those publishers were reaching back out to you and say we were wrong or you were

Kendall: 08:37

like, we're doing that. I did have publishers reaching out to me by within a few months. Like, have you ever thought about writing a book on bread? I love it. Absolutely.

Kendall: 08:47

I have. I already have a proposal for you.

Heather: 08:49

I love it. I love it. So really, I mean, you do travel and speak and write, but but at, kind of what this has, moved toward is this edible theology. So talk a little bit about that and how community is really forming there.

Kendall: 09:06

Yeah. Absolutely. So, through edible theology, I am my my work is really focused on helping both individuals and communities, meet god in the kitchen and at the table. And so what that looks like most often is, both kind of we have the bread side of things and the table side of things. And so I lead bread baking workshops in churches and schools and universities all over the country, teaching individuals how to bake bread as a spiritual practice.

Kendall: 09:34

But then also provide curriculum for churches to think together about, you know, how is food and specifically how are meals and the table that play in the story of scripture and throughout Christian tradition, and how can we use the table more thoughtfully in our own churches and communities to build deeper relationships, and to really address this crisis of loneliness that we're all experiencing.

Heather: 09:57

And it really is. I mean, the table is as someone who has started 3 different dinner churches and happens to have a culinary arts degree myself.

Kendall: 10:05

Love it. I don't know why.

Heather: 10:07

The table is such a a special place and and things happen around the table that just there is no other context where that there is that level of connection really in in intimacy, absolutely, even take it a step further. And so just a beautiful place to form community. And I know in my own experience, community with all sorts of people that you might not ever share a table with, you know, in everyday life. Right? And so that the intentionality behind that I think is is important as well.

Heather: 10:42

So you started this whole kind of edible theology movement, but you also have some, like, resources that have come alongside that. So talk a little bit about that.

Kendall: 10:52

Yeah. So our main resources is a curriculum called worship at the table, which is a 6 week Sunday school or small group program, that is studying meals in scripture, meals in scripture, meals in Christian tradition, and meals in your own life. And so it's designed to help facilitate conversations about food that then help you get into conversations about deeper topics. And so that is just my favorite resource that that I have developed in the last few years because it really pulls together, so much of the research that's in We Will Feast, the research from my, you know, my my divinity school degree, and also just what I'm most passionate about, which is helping churches become these places of community and connection. So that that is our primary resource.

Kendall: 11:37

And then my my this this bake and pray workshop is the next biggest resource, and, I'm really excited. We now have a, a video version of it. So if you cannot attend 1 in your own church or can't bring me to your church, you can you can do it in your own home using our our video companion, that is available on our website. And so those are kind of the the bake and pray and worship at the table are our main resources. And but, really, all of my books, all of these things, you know, we have the the Kitchen Meditations podcast, the Edible Theology newsletter.

Kendall: 12:14

All of these are designed to help both individuals and churches. Just see food and see the table in a a new way.

Heather: 12:23

Yes. Yes. And and you can find all of those things online, and we will have all of these things linked in, in the show notes with Kendall's bio and and all those good things. So, I mean, you share a number of stories in your books, and certainly in your podcast, but is there one that is sticking out to you as a place where the table made all the difference? And then I'll also ask you, you know, if do you have a favorite memory of shared time at the table?

Heather: 12:54

That's a great question.

Kendall: 12:58

You know, I think one of the one of the times that the table made a massive difference was right after I moved to Durham and was deeply longing for community. And, a group of friends that I met at divinity school, we we realized that we were all kind of sharing this longing for people to eat with, and also all feeling this shared sort of exhaustion of preparing food for ourselves every day Yes. While in school. And so we started this kind of meal rotation. And we took turns 2 or 3 nights a week.

Kendall: 13:30

We took turns. One person was in charge of cooking for the rest. And we would go to one another's homes and share a meal. And if someone had class or work or something else going on that evening, then we would just pack up a meal for them and bring it to them at school. So you knew that you had to cook, you know, once every other week, but you had all these other meals provided for you.

Kendall: 13:50

And we also knew that we had a break built into our days where we weren't gonna talk about school, we weren't gonna do homework, we were just gonna chat for, you know, an hour and a half, and then we ended really, you know, really succinctly after about an hour and a half so that we could get back to our work. And that was just such a beautiful way of meeting both our very tangible needs for food when, you know, cooking is just hard in the busy busyness of of school, but also meeting our community needs for for relationship, for connection, for time around the table. And so those those relationships were so meaningful in that season. I can't imagine getting through divinity school without those friends, and that rhythm was just so central to, to how those relationships were formed.

Heather: 14:37

Is there a family memory that you have at the table? You're giving me a lot of ideas, which I'll talk about in just a minute. But

Kendall: 14:43

Yes. Well, oh, man. My my my favorite family meal, was Thanksgiving of this was probably 20 oh goodness, probably 2014 or 2015. And my sister brought her then boyfriend home, and this was the first sibling that had brought a significant other home to meet the family. And they were pretty serious at this point, so he came for Thanksgiving.

Kendall: 15:08

And my mom loves Thanksgiving. It is her favorite holiday. Yes, mom. Yeah. And we have always you know, we have for the last, when since I was in middle school, lived away from extended family.

Kendall: 15:20

And so we haven't really had a Thanksgiving with our extended family, in probably, you know, close to 20 years. And so we, my mom just loves hosting for her own kids and usually invites some friends and things that that are nearby to them. But so this time, we had my sister's boyfriend. And so my mom had made she makes these, discussion prompts that she puts on everyone's plate so that we can have discussion generally usually around something that we're grateful for. You know, it's Thanksgiving adjacent.

Kendall: 15:52

And so she had these discussion questions on everyone's plate. And so we were going 1 by 1, and we were supposed to read our question and then everyone was, you know, either the purse I think the person who got the question was supposed to answer. And so we get to my my sister's boyfriend, and he picks it up. And he very seriously says, what is one thing that you would never want your girlfriend's family to know? And my sister's face just went white.

Kendall: 16:16

And then we looked at my mom, and my mom's face went white. And she said, I did that write that question. And we realized that he had just pulled it out of thin air. Oh, how funny. And that was when we realized the sense of humor he had and how well he fit into our family and, you know, he is he has been in the family ever since.

Kendall: 16:38

He's a keeper. He's a keeper. He is a keeper. He is a keeper. I

Heather: 16:42

love it. I think you're naming a couple really important things here though. I mean, even talking about your experience in in divinity school and, you know, and and just speaks to that that longing for community and that can come along with being single sometimes or being in a certain season of your life. I think of myself as an empty nester. Like, I am used to cooking for a lot of people and it's been really super hard for me most of the time to just like cook for my husband and I.

Heather: 17:17

So that gets me thinking, you know, how can how can empty nesters maybe, cook for one another and, you know, do the do the rotation?

Kendall: 17:26

Absolutely. I think that there are so many people who are feeling the sense of I eat alone a lot or I eat you know, I I'm used to eating with the whole crowd around the table that if people were a little bit more open to expressing their own sort of needs or longings, we would find that actually one another's needs and longings can be met together. That one person's longing to share a meal with other and another person's longing to share a meal with others can be met together. I really loved as a single person. It it took a while for me to really convince my friends with little kids.

Kendall: 17:58

You know, I love being at your house for the craziness of a weeknight meal. Like, I know you might be embarrassed that your kids are running around wild. You might feel bad that you have to step away to put everyone to bed. But to me, it is a great joy to be around the craziness of kids running around. You know, I'm I'm one of 5 kids.

Kendall: 18:15

I'm used to being in a house where everything's crazy. And now, you know, I live alone just me and all my pets. And so I I crave that wildness of, you know, toddlers at the dinner table. And I love being able to help my friends by washing their dishes while they, you know, bathe the kids and put them to bed. And it's a really beautiful example of, you know, what what is where in my own life, I'm experiencing a lack.

Kendall: 18:40

Yes. And in my friends lives where they're experiencing a lack of just, like, needing extra pairs of hands to help, that actually both of our needs can be met at the same time when we draw people in and when we allow people to be a part of just the messiness of our daily lives.

Heather: 18:55

Absolutely. Kendall's there for it if you wanna invite her for dinner.

Kendall: 19:00

Absolutely. I mean, now it's at a point where, you know, my friends know, like, oh, yeah. I can invite Kendall to you know, one of my friends, her son is about to start, start soccer for the first time, and she was like, I'm we're planning on doing a breakfast picnic every Saturday at these games. And, you know, I was like, I would love to go to your kids' soccer games. This is, you know and and for her kids, it's like another another adult in their life that they trust and that they love and, you know, that that is not a parent that can play a different role in their lives.

Kendall: 19:31

Like, it is a gift to everybody when you, start to realize that, like, our lives don't need to be so insular and so isolated that

Heather: 19:38

And everything's beneficial to us all. I was gonna say and everything put away and perfect and clean and everything too. Right? Normalize normalize the chaos a little bit like yeah.

Kendall: 19:49

Yes. That's what makes people feel welcome and that's what makes people feel like they can get to know you. And really act. Yes. Yes.

Kendall: 19:54

If you come into someone's house and everything is perfectly prepared, now I think there's a time and a place

Heather: 19:59

for Sure. Sure.

Kendall: 20:00

A really beautiful dinner party where you have thoughtfully cooked every dish and you've set a beautiful table. Like, there is a time and a place for that, and I have loved the hospitality I've received in that manner. But also, I feel like so much more comfortable to be myself when I'm welcomed into a house where there's laundry on the couch and, you know, I'm I'm asked like, oh my goodness. Can you, you know, help can you help like, the dogs outside, can you run and wrangle him? You know, I realized, like, they're letting me see the reality of who they are.

Kendall: 20:28

They are not hiding anything of their own. They're not they're not literally hiding their mess in the cabinets and closets. Yeah. Which means that I'm also welcome to be my full self here too. And I'm welcome to share what's actually going on in my life as well.

Heather: 20:42

Fantastic.

Heather: 20:43

I 2 things that you've said. I think that I want I wanna make sure our listeners heard. 1 was your friend and the breakfast at the soccer games. Okay? Because this is a whole, subculture of people, families that are not able to be a part of a lot of our, you know, traditional forms of church or Sunday worship gatherings, etcetera, that are out on the soccer field or with travel teams or whatever and rather have any kind of commentary on that.

Heather: 21:14

Like, how can we, which is what Fresh Expressions is all about, form church there, form community there. And and I just can imagine that how much that would resonate with the other families and the other parents and maybe taking turns at the different games to do that and everything else. And the other thing that I'm really thinking about is, you know, as, people that maybe have young families, how you can do that for one another. Right? Like, you know, I don't have to tell you, Kendall, and probably many of our listeners, just all the stats on how significant it is to sit down and eat a meal and how much more successful kids are in their relationships with their parents and all that kind of stuff and with one another.

Heather: 21:59

So how can we facilitate that and be that for one another even in our own even in our own friend groups or with families that are a part of our kids' karate class or, you know, whatever those things, whatever those things might be that can kind of facilitate that connection while also having that, the gift of, all of those rewards for being able to share a meal together, to sit and share a meal together. So so much so much good stuff.

Kendall: 22:28

Yeah. I think it it really just requires being a little bit creative and how we think about our resources, our resources of time and our resources of of food, you know, that it can be very easy to think, like, very myopically about your individual family unit and just think, like, we have to get to this place. We have to get these people fed. We have to, you know, whatever. And it it feels, at first blush, like, overwhelming to think about sort of opening that up.

Heather: 22:54

Yeah.

Kendall: 22:54

But when you realize that, well, when I open that up, that will also be reciprocated. Yeah. That when I invite another family to come be a part of the craziness with us, you know, maybe have a meal after after soccer practice or what have you on a night that might feel like I just need to get the kids home fed into bed. Mhmm. But if when you open that up and invite someone else in and and have that experience of a shared meal, then that is most likely going to be returned, which means it might be a little bit more work for you on on the forefront.

Kendall: 23:24

Yeah. And then you're going to have an opportunity or maybe multiple opportunities where you don't have to be the one to holster to provide. And, it's it's hard when it's outside the rhythm of sort of our cultural norms to be the one to kind of get that make that sort of to to restear the ship. Yeah. But I think that as we do then the the ramifications of that, it becomes we receive so much more than we've had to give at the start to sort of redirect that energy.

Heather: 23:54

And because because this really is directed, at the, pastors and church leaders, I mean, I think it bears repeating, and it's already been said in this season and some of the the conversations, like, we need to go first. Jesus went first. We can go first. Right? And we can also, you know, open ourselves up and make ourselves vulnerable enough to, hey.

Heather: 24:16

Here's my mess. Like, come along for the ride.

Kendall: 24:19

Yeah. Absolutely.

Heather: 24:20

Yeah. Yeah.

Kendall: 24:21

And I think for pastors, especially, you know, realizing, like, you feel the isolation of of being, you know, there there is an isolation to being a pastor and and that you're never gonna be known quite in the same way in your church as you might know, the congregants in your church. But then to realize like, well, maybe the community you need to be fostering in this manner is other pastors and to say like, you know, they're also experiencing this need for, for deeper community and connection. There's a group of pastors in North Carolina that I've had a great joy of 1 by 1 getting to know that, you know, they've they've each, in time, invited me to lead workshops in their own churches, but they all went to divinity school together and have just maintained the close friendship ever since. And it's been so fun to get to see from the outside, how not only that has, kind of they've maintained that for the past decade as they make a real commitment to being present and caring for one another's families, but then to get to go into each of their churches and to experience kind of the outflow of that in their churches and how they lead and how they minister has been really, really neat as well.

Kendall: 25:28

And so I think that that shared community with other pastors is something that could be so valuable.

Heather: 25:34

That's so good. I'm literally practicing what we're preaching. Right? Like Yeah. Eating eating our own food.

Kendall: 25:41

Yes. Yes.

Heather: 25:42

That's good stuff. Kendall, is there anything that we haven't talked about or any questions that I haven't asked you that that maybe you wanna share?

Kendall: 25:50

Well, you know, we've talked a lot about the practice of actually eating together, but I think there's also a great gift in the practice of actually cooking. And specifically, my focus is on baking, that the actual practice of baking can be a way to pray with our bodies, a way to slow us down to to ask to invite god to be present in this practice of preparing food, of creatively transforming ingredients from one thing into another, that, you know, I think our our loneliness and our isolation, if we take a step back of where does that begin, I think it begins in kind of the busyness of our world. The fact that we are just rushing from activity to activity to activity without taking the time to really slow down and connect with the people that we're engaging with. And so I think the step back then to to help us in that slowing down and connecting is first slowing down in our own sort of, moments and in the kitchen is one really great opportunity and connecting with God and connecting with our bodies in this practice of of baking or of cooking. And then that also gives us the opportunity to pray for the people who will consume the things that we bake and that we cook.

Kendall: 27:07

And so I think that sort of, it's just another step back and how we do this sort of reworking of thinking about how we engage with community and eat with community and, and work these community connections into the rhythms of our busy lives.

Heather: 27:21

Love that cook cooking with other people is a Yeah. Yeah. Banking with cooking with

Kendall: 27:27

You know, one of the problems. A really sweet rhythm that has developed for me over the last couple years that has been just really wonderful as as a single person is that I have another really close friend who's also single. And, you know, we both live alone. We both, are regularly cooking for 1 and dealing with the the limitations of cooking for 1, which usually means that you have you either eat the same thing again and again and again for a week or or that you just have ingredients that don't get used up.

Heather: 27:54

Yeah.

Kendall: 27:54

And so once or twice a week, we'll connect and say, you know, like, what do you have in your fridge? What do you have in your fridge? And we'll kind of band together, you know, what whatever random things are later in our fridge and create a new meal out of that. And it's been such a gift both, again, practically meeting this need for tangible need to eat, and it saves us money from having to buy more ingredients to figure out how to use up what's in our fridge. But also it's just a fun, you know, creative rhythm to figure out how can we combine what we both have and and make something delicious out of it.

Kendall: 28:27

And I I those just really simple almost so simple that you wouldn't think of it. Rhythms are what has made all the difference for me and sort of pulling me out of this long season of loneliness and into a season of feeling really deeply connected with my greater community.

Heather: 28:42

Love that. I love the creativity that's wrapped up in that. I wanna say, like, this is the Kendall Vanderslice Chopped Edition. What do we have in the refrigerator? What's in our box?

Heather: 28:53

I love that so much. And the and the idea of sharing. Right? Sharing food and and, one complementing the other and what the ingredients are that you bring to the table, deeply theological.

Kendall: 29:05

Yes. Yes.

Heather: 29:05

Thank you for that. Absolutely. Thank you for that. Kendall, this has been a great conversation. We're so grateful for your work, so grateful for what you're doing, and definitely want to, point our listeners to all that you have provide to to provide in our show notes.

Heather: 29:21

Would you pray for our listeners as we close out our time together?

Kendall: 29:25

Absolutely. I would love to. Thank you. Lourgah, thank you so much for the gift of the table. Thank you for the gift of your table at which you feed us in our Sunday service, or or whenever it is that we gather this gift of bread and the cup that you feed us so that we can then go on and feed others at our own tables, our dining tables, our kitchen tables, or maybe our table at the the restaurant down the road.

Kendall: 29:56

God, I pray that for anyone who is feeling this loneliness or isolation or this longing for community and connection, that you will provide the creative inspiration to meet with others, to invite others to participate in new communal rhythms around the table, give them the imagination to, to foster the kind of community and connection that they long for in their own lives and to see the others in their community who are longing for this kind of connection as well. In your name, we pray. Amen.

Heather: 30:29

Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you again so much, Kendall. We look forward to the next conversation we get to have with you.

Kendall: 30:36

Yes. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a joy.

Heather: 30:42

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Heather: 31:29

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Heather: 32:05

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